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ART School - Professional Advice by Blizzard Artist

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MarcBrunet Edited Apr 12, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Hey all!

It's probably not every day professional artists post on here but there has been so much misinformation on the topic of Art School I feel it's seriously needed.

First things first, I'm Marc (hello!) and up until a little over a year ago I was a Senior Artist (2D/3D) working for Blizzard Entertainment. I worked on Overwatch for 5 years as a member of the starting team (2nd character artist on the team) and then on StarCraft and Heroes of the Storm.

I've given talks, interviews, written workshops for ImagineFX, worked freelance on the side throughout my career and more importantly, I've never been to art school. I'm now leading the team over @ Cubebrush but that's boring so let's skip over that :)

With this thread I want to accomplish 3 different things:

 🔹 Debunk the importance of traditional art schools
 🔹 Debunk the belief you need a degree or certificate to be a professional artist
 🔹 Offer a solution to those looking for alternatives

🔷 The importance of Art School 🎓

Let me just begin by saying going to art school in itself is not a bad thing. There are many art schools out there with good teachers and decent curricula.

Cost

The main issue is always the costs. This focuses more on the US market but these problems are similar in many other countries as well (if you have art schools at all!). The average cost of 3-4 years in art school here in the US will vary between $50-200k and you will not want to be going to those on the lower end - low end schools mean low-end education. Obviously, no student has this kind of money (even with scholarships) so most end up getting student loans, paying back insane amounts of debts over their entire adult life.

Results

The worse part is probably the results these art school generate. The average placement 2 years after graduation is a ridiculous 10% and the salaries can be expected to be between $20-40k right out of school. This obviously sucks if you expect to be paying back a ton of debt. Now if you don't have any debt, that's not bad at all to be doing something you love!

I've obviously met a lof of artists in my life, most of my friends are artists and as a result I've heard a lot of stories. What's more striking is the % of professional artists with art degrees, it's a little under 50%. This means the majority of working pros did not attend art school. Let that sink in.

The main argument that keeps coming back is that you need the networking school provides and the human contacts to help each other grow. Again, for most people that's simply not true. Most artists tend to be introverts, and introverts work better alone. The networking part? Most of your networking will be done online, which is by far the most effective way to get noticed. If you post online regularly, keep being involved in the art community and display solid growth over time, that's the best way to get TONS of eyes on your art and as a result, job offers. If you can't get noticed online, the whole art thing is probably not gonna work out anyways. Deviant Art, other portfolio platforms, instagram, facebook groups, etc are fantastic gauges of your shot at a professional career. If you can grab people's attention that way, you should be just fine.

🔷 Do you need a degree to get hired? 👔
Absolutely NOT.

Aside from placement expectations, this is probably the biggest lie/misconception floating around. You do not need a degree to get hired, ever. At this point you might have realized it based on the fact most pros don't have any like I just mentioned, but it's something art schools and misinformed parents keep repeating to students and it couldn't be further from the truth, and it actually ruins the lives of many as a result.

To make it worse, a lot of studios actually mention in their application requirements you need some sort of certification or degree to be considered. Let me make this very clear again, this IS NOT TRUE.

Then why mention it at all, right? Here's the logic - and once again this is not my opinion, this is coming directly from friends that are recruiters and from countless studios my company interviewed over the last 2 years - it's a requirement simply to make their life easier. Think of it as an applicants filter.

Basically, it's much more likely an applicant with an art degree will have a decent portfolio than someone without. If the applications were opened to everyone (they are in fact open to everyone) studios would get floaded with applications from amateur artists thinking they are good enough because their parents told them so.

It's simply a filter for the studio. The logic works in most cases even if they might miss out on a few qualified artists who don't apply when they see the requirements. Same with the requirements asking for x years of experience - it's there to filter out applicants, but really it doesn't mean anything.

Then what matters you ask? First, your PORTFOLIO. Second, your personality. It's pretty much 50/50 between those 2. Nothing else.

Don't believe me? Email/call the studios and ask this question: "If I have a good portfolio, does it matter if I have a degree/formal education or not?". The answer will always be "no". Try it.

I mentionned at the beginning I didn't have an art degree myself - not only that but I have no degrees at all. I'm a dropout. I mention this because there is actually one scenario for which having a degree can help, but it's probably not what you expect: Getting a work visa if you plan to work abroad.

The custom agents don't know if your portfolio is good or bad, so they rely on formal education to issue work visas. Not having one isn't a deal breaker though, again in my case, I didn't have one yet still relocated from Canada to the US with a work visa and had no problems doing so. Still, it usually helps. Having work experience can also serve as an equivalent to formal education however, so again, a degree is not "needed".

🔷 If going to a traditional art school is often a bad idea, then what? 💁 

Now comes the good part, the solution!

There are many alternatives to a formal art education - online tutorials, art workshops, study groups, figure drawing classes, plein air painting classes, YouTube, etc.

For a lot of people this can work. It did for me. Back when I was starting as an artist there was no such thing as YouTube so I had to look a bit harder, but now it's so easy to get good tips and tricks online.

There is one thing missing with all these though, the structure of school. The curriculum. If you're really good as self teaching you should definitely be able to make it, it might take some extra time to find everything you need by collecting bits and pieces all over the place, but it's definitely doable. For others who need the structure, that might be a harder pitch. That might be your case. In both cases, having a solid structure and solid content will always speed up your learning.

Regardless of your learning preference, during my entire career I was expecting something to come along to fix that. With the technologies we have today it seems ridiculous for people to still have to attend traditional schools with a format that hasn't changed in hundreds of years. Still, after all my years in the industry nothing that could fully replace school poped up.

So last year, I said f*** it and decided I'd just tackle this damn task myself. This is how ART School for Digital Artists was born.

I spent the majority of 2017 sneaking around asking friends/colleagues who were teaching to show me their school curricula hoping to see what they were doing right and what they were doing wrong. I collected about 15 from all the top schools around the country and used those as inspiration to build the perfect curriculum for my own ART School project.

The result is a 10 Term online course with the best curriculum you'll find if your goal is to be a digital artist (any kind of digital artist). There is nothing out there like it, and 4 terms in, I can see why! The amount of work required to put something like this together is absolutely insane.

Late last year, once I felt the curriculum was great, I started working on the course. I'm about to release Term 4 soon and while it's been incredibly difficult and time consuming, the feedback has been 100% worth the efforts. I release each Terms as I finish work on them so you can already get started.

If you want to get a better idea, please check out the video trailer and curriculum here. cubebrush.co/mb/products/mmfwy…

It's basically the spiritual equivalent of a BFA, but focused on digital art.

It's meant to be a complete art education, whether you're starting from nothing or have a good base already. It comes with assignments and there's a forum dedicated to it where students can share their process and grow together. There's also a Discourse channel and more ways for students to interact coming in the near future.

I have 100% confidence in the fact you will not find a better way to learn and build a killer portfolio. Not only that but there will be classes on marketing yourself as an artist, and others on the business side of art, both topics you would definitely NOT learn at a traditional school since it takes someone who's made it (successfully!) to teach it.

Did I mention the price? It's cheaper than the art books you would need going at a traditional school alone. It's just slightly over $1 a day for a full year.

This is the biggest project of my life so far and I couldn't be more excited to take you along for the ride. With 1500+ students already enrolled and taking control of their career, with nothing but perfect reviews, I think you might get quite a lot out of it too :)

Sorry for the plug at the end but I feel it's an important project for a lot of artists out there so I needed to share it.

Hopefully this post helps and don't hesitate to shoot your questions in the comments below, or share your feedback or personal experience with art school if you'd like, good or bad! The more people know, the more educated everybody is about it, the better.

🎓 Learn more about ART School: Digital Artists - cbr.sh/lnyphs 🎓

-marc
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there's schoolism too 
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I understand that this is your pitch. There's no hiding it. Embrace the pitch! It's okay! But please, all I want to know what's in your product and why it's "the spiritual equivalent of a BFA"

Here were your reasons:
  • compiled of information received via "sneaking around asking colleagues" in 2017
  • "meant to be a complete art education"
  • can start at any entry level
  • comes with assignments
  • has a chat room
  • you are sure it is the best
  • you provide classes on marketing, which you explicitly state can only be taught by successful people such as yourself
  • it's cheaper than art books if art books were >$475
  • 365 divided by 475 is a number which is considered to be small
  • it is the first online art course which offers artists all the skills they need to know
I hope you can understand why my initial thought is hmm?

I can clearly see the names of the courses you offer, and according to your video, your online course is the only online course that covers "ALL the skills that artists need to know". I don't doubt your success in the field, but I'm just not understanding you. How is your course different from any other industry brisket selling a personal course? I don't actually know anything about your courses. The pricetag on it is just fine for a course like this. Beautiful. In fact it's actually pretty cheap for the expected content hours, but why you are offering money back guarantees on a product that is still WIP?

Also you spelled Discord as Discourse, and for that reason, I'm out.


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ShanFable Apr 24, 2018  Student Digital Artist
This is pretty amazing! Thank you very much. I have gone to university to study Illustration but I feel for me I needed it, as I was not a very social person. It lead me to meet some amazing people and get some links a bit easier. But it isn't for everyone, my sister dose photography and she HATED college so much, but she had amazing skill. And shes fine. But yea I only feel I needed to because of the social aspect, and the local uni is pretty good for getting studio apprenticeships as they work with the uni. But yea finding the opportunity to learn online and magazines has helped me skill rise much more than uni... they don't teach you much in that area. As their focus was for the business side and promotion.
Thanks again this is very helpful :) I'm now graduated and my year aim is to build a good portfolio and put what I have learned into practice, soo back to online tutorials for me again ahah.  
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Superbum Apr 23, 2018  Student General Artist
I really appreciate the time you took to write this.
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Dualmask Apr 23, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Wish you were around eight years ago. I blew a ton of money pursuing a degree in Game Art and Design with barely-accessible 'facilitators' of online courses--they didn't even call them instructors or teachers--using digital textbooks in their proprietary format that cost just as much as physical textbooks...I was unable to finish because Federal loan money ran out before I could, and if I knew then what I know now, I would never even have started. I'd simply have focused on online learning and self study--now I'm trying to find a way to improve my craft and make it marketable and valuable.

I'm considering your courses.
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GavinMichelli Apr 23, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
I went to school for fine arts for 5 years, and I've learned more from Cubebrush and your Youtube videos than I did from my formal education. Your stuff is always packed with helpful information. Thank you for sharing!
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Orange-Zeppelin Apr 21, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
For people who don't wanna pay art school prices but work well in a classroom enviroment (and like taking random classes) community college can be fabulous. I've been blessed to have a local CC with really amazing and supportive teachers. I've had some dumbass teachers. Unfortunetly it was my portfolio teacher and I had less of a portfolio at the end of class then the beginning. (I've since rectified that issue and have something I'm proud of!)

One of my more affluent cousins went to an art college straight out of high school and hasn't really had any major success other than selling some things on Etsy she's not a really super great artist in my opinion but you didn't hear that from me. Sorry cuz!  I've been pressured by others to take that path, but I've found that I'm getting established fairly alright without it. 
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Antarasis Edited Apr 21, 2018  Student Digital Artist
This topic always makes me feel like I found a rare unicorn. In Germany there is ONE statefunded school officially offering a bachelor/master in illustration. And there are other design schools where you at least can focus on these parts. And for having no other school to compare to, since it's the only state school like that, for me it's still obviously great. I love my uni. The courses cover subjects from old crafts like etching/woodcut/lithography to 2D animation, 3D, VR. Plus theory classes in design oriented philosophy or at the historical local art gallery, etc.

And in general in the system: if your parents are not making enough you can get support from the state. You just have to pay back half of it later, with 10.000€ being maximal debt. I guess that is financed by taxes. Still, our system is far from perfected. And money is cut at all corners in the creative departments of unis. But it seems to be better than in the US in the financial/educational benefit ratio. Of what you put in and what you get out from it. I hope we can hold that standard. I don't want to have future generations not having the opportunities that I was granted. The immense debt US citizens face when they decide to study is a frightening image.
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ghostnxs Apr 19, 2018   Digital Artist
Too bad most affordable alternatives suck in comparison. The best still require thousands of dollars. Your course is better than most but not by much. The format is atrocious. Sure art school is expensive, but it isn't like alternatives are the bee's knees. You talk about the return rates of college but don't really address the problems with not going to some kind of dedicated good art college. I wonder how many people who don't go to college it whatever manage to get jobs? My guess is far less than those who do.

Everyone I've seen who is a pro artist and says this is selling something.

The only course or video/subscription I've bought that would be comparable or worth the price as an alternative was New Masters Academy.

I'm going to try online mentorship like Visual Arts Passage or SmArt School next.
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TheOfficialDorkLord Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is SUPER helpful information, thank you. ive been looking at schools lately so i can achieve my goal. do you have any advice to getting into blizzard specifically? its been my dream to work there since i was small and ive been practicing 3d animation and traditional art to try and get a feel for it, i think its what i REALLY want to do. so any advice will help
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NaiBuff Apr 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I knew right after "Hey All!" that this would be an ad :P
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Jorsch Apr 17, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
I'd agree with you, if it wasn't for the shameless self promotion hidden behind your message ;)
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May-I-Tutchem Apr 17, 2018  Professional General Artist
I have a degree in Animation and I agree with you 100%
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Dstinct Apr 17, 2018  Professional Artist
Cross-posted from your journal:

If you want to work at a studio in your own country, it usually isn't worth it, but unless you can get some international recognition by an industry body, it is extremely hard to get a work permit without higher education. If the company uses freelancers, you're set, but bigger studios seem to be cutting down on freelance and going in house. In Canada, there is no way you are getting a job at a Canadian studio unless you are Canadian, have a 4-5 year degree, have 10-12 years experience, or have won a major award an immigration lawyer isn't going to touch you. It's pretty similar in the States based on reports from friends who have gone down for work.
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Jorsch Apr 17, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
The question is, is it really worth it working for a big company nowadays?
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Andoledius Apr 16, 2018  Professional
I do agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I think your bias is getting in the way of a lot of important factors when it comes to art school.

Firstly - you absolutely do not need to get a degree in art to be a successful artist. I'm a college instructor, and this is something I tell my students on the first day. I also remind them that 1 in 12 graduates is successful in kickstarting a career in the arts. However I don't believe this is entirely the fault of the school. A lot of students make the decision to go to art school to get that structure, something you had mentioned before. As a teacher, I notice that I have maybe one student in my class who is just capable of the perseverance to retrieve and practice the information they find. I fight tooth and nail to get most of my sophomores to open a book or make 10 sketches for a prompt. (these are sophomores). They aren't bad artists, but they don't have what it takes to make their "dream" of being a freelancer come true without my guidance, and that's exactly what they are paying for.

SOME schools do have age-old curriculum's, but they are dying...and fast. If a school isnt flexible enough to keep with technology, how people receive their information, and what the industry standards are without losing the core of what is important in successful art, then they just wont survive.

No doubt that art school is a stupid amount of money and that pisses me off whenever my loan payments come up. Art school is worth it if the student puts the work INTO it, and challenges themselves in each course. It's a complete waste of money and time if they coast. School is a great way to broaden someone's idea of what art is/what it could be, something that I didn't understand before school. It's also a good way to learn from active, commercial artists. Editorial and publishing can be incredibly difficult to get into without knowing the name of the AD, and schools offer that foot in the door.

I hope in the future they make art school easier to attend and less money on the students, but we live in a time where its comparable to law school, and you walk out into a career that isn't going to look twice at your piece of paper, only what you can do. 
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Riana-art Apr 16, 2018  Professional Artist
Hmm, the sword has two sides: I went the science way at university and had nothing beside some very good short weekly courses in art, and today I get my art jobs in exactly the field that I studied, because of my scientific background. On the other hand, I spent most of the last 10 years studying and not practicing art in a very structured way or building up a portfolio and everything like that (drawing/painting time is after dinner, when I am too tired to write the phd unless its not for a job). I always wondered if you have an advantage if art is really the main focus of your study and center of your concentrated work.

Training together with other people, observing them how they work and talking to them, exchanging opinions and techniques is so super important. Especially when it comes to real life experinces.
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cherylquintana Apr 15, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Is there some equivalent on-line "schooling" for sculpting?
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lenayre Apr 16, 2018  Student Digital Artist
New Masters Academy :)
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cherylquintana Apr 16, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Perfect!  Thanks a million!
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DynamicInstability Edited Apr 15, 2018  Student Digital Artist
I've been a fan of your work for several years and I'm happy to see this project come to fruition for you! I totally agree that an online course is a great alternative for those who do not want to go to traditional school or can't afford it. And I also agree that you'd be teaching things that most traditional profs glaze over. I'm lucky in that my scholarships pay for my schooling, and getting a higher education is something that I personally value. I understand it isn't for everyone but I felt it was the best fit for me.

I must say that in my experience, my school is low-end in terms of cost but in no way do I feel that my education is the same. I've made valuable connections with my professors and I do feel that I have learned a lot from my three years in terms of technique, how to critique others' work, and how to apply criticism to my own work. I do feel that because it is a small school, the amount of classes offered are a bit lacking, and we only have general degree programs, such as BAVA, BFA, Art Ed, and Art History, but the school itself is too small of a space with few classrooms to really offer much else. I could have tried to get into a better school, but the scholarships were too good to pass up. Sometimes I wonder if I made the right choice, but I know there are resources out there (such as this one) that can help me.

With that said, you phrase the cost of your programs as "just slightly over $1 a day for a full year" which- while it is true- isn't very helpful because you make it seem like "Oh I can just pay a dollar or two a day to have the program!" But in reality you need the $400 outright...and unfortunately for those of use who are interested and want to learn from you in this format, who may already be students and working part time, $400 isn't something we can pay all at once. I do think that is a fair price for the effort you put in and what you're teaching, I just mean that it's something I'm going to have to save up for heh..
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JasonRoll Apr 14, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Unfortunately I realized this too late. I have a 4 year animation degree and I'm now an illustrator working in the defense industry. What sucks is that I was hired on for the skills I had already taught myself before I even went to college. I pretty much paid $70k for a contact that set up my interview. I even started a Masters so I could teach eventually. But that landscape is changing to I put a halt to that.

Thanks for posting this. Young Artists need to know this. 
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Zeikram Apr 14, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Hey MarcBrunet

I'm really happy you made something affordable like this for artists. I started out digital art with your youtube tutorials and I can say the fundamentals I've learnt from those videos stuck through with me and were improved with other lessons from other online tutorials.
I'll probably buy this course once I finish my current online course because yes I decided not to go to art university/college because of the points you taught back then, I still believe to this very day that thanks to you I wasn't buried in a huge debt but on the flipside I haven't really been accepted to any artist job yet Neko Emoji-21 (Sweat or Creep out) [V2] well hopefully I will get one once I start job hunting for it after my vacation now that I'm a bit more confident on my skill. Again I thank you for the fundamentals that you've taught me with those youtube videos when I was 18. Now I'm 21, a good 3 years of self studying ^^ 

Goodluck with this project , cheers Llama Emoji-02 (Blush) [V1] 
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ManishaChan Apr 14, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I wanna get something off my chest;

 i've been at uni for 3 years and i'm almost finished (art / animation degree) and i'm suffering so so much. I've done okay up until now and at this point i want to give up. The stress makes my anxiety and depression out of control and i physically cant get myself to finish, but i dont want my years to be wasted and not be at graduation... i'm so torn as my tutor said its an option for for me to just stop now and not have a degree but i would be besides myself if i did that. My deadline is May 11th and I have so much to do; make an animation and a complex art of document, and paint things. I want to cry my eyes out and i feel SO alone and i also feel suicidal sometimes (i've had help for my mental health in the past and am on medication) but I just don't know what to do :( I know having a degree isnt crucial as you've said and I want to become an illustrator/ artist for games/ character artist and i'm just....sigh, i'm just so lost and in despaitr.
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MarcBrunet Apr 16, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Stress is the #1 enemy of creativity.

Grab a sheet of paper and draw a line down the center. On one side, write down ALL the worst things that could happen if you failed or dropped out. On the other side write down all the worst things that could happen if you stayed. Once you're done, it's usually best to pick the list/option that is the least worst :)

It's all about perspective. You're obviously a good artist so having that piece of paper or not really shouldn't matter too much. I'd still put together a plan with every single day left if you're gonna try to make it, and what you'll tackle every day. I'm the same, if I look at all the things that I need to do in a week I freak out especially since I run a company, it never stops. Planning things out day by day really helps though, as long as you do everything you can for the day, the rest doesn't really matter. We're just artists, we're not doctors trying to save lives ;)

Find a few places you'd like to work at (you're lucky, the UK has a ton of studios, big and small www.gamedevmap.com/index.php?c…), look at their open positions and then try finding artists that are working there, already doing what you would like to do. Find them online and check out their portfolios. That's what got them their job, try to emulate them as best as you can. If your school or your assignments are not helping you move towards that direction, then it's wasting your time. Putting together a portfolio tailored for the job you're interested in should be your top priority.

You're definitely not alone. Hell, so many of my friends who attended art school dropped out or failed, only to be way more successful than all their old classmates later in life, doing art no less. Life is a rollercoaster, if you feel you're at the bottom of the slope, it usually means the climb is coming soon Heart 
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